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so for the past ten years I've been

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testing different types of equipment to

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see which devices might be helpful in

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facilitating interaction with

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discarnates and during that time I've

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used all kinds of different stuff I've

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used very simple machines to high-end

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full-spectrum imaging systems to geo

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magnetometers - just about every other

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piece of equipment you can imagine and

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I've used it in a variety of settings

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from field investigations to more

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controlled settings to using a custom

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developed ITC appliance that we've

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developed a wind bridge in clinical

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settings and when you use all this kind

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of equipment and all these different

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settings what you find occasionally is

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that your equipment behaves in weird and

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unusual ways that are difficult to

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explain so when we encounter these

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anomalies we go through a very specific

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process looking at everything from space

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weather to equipment failure to try to

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identify the cause of those anomalies

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and a lot of times we can find a cause

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but a lot of times we can't so what we

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end up with is a series of anomalies

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that I like to call weird technology

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fluctuations when your technology

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misbehaves so what are the potential

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causes for these well first we could be

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seeing discarnate effects on analog or

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digital devices since we specifically

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asked this Carnot's to interact with the

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equipment alternatively we could be

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seeing parapsychological or sine

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mediated experimenter effects and when

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you look at the body of evidence and

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data around the effects of consciousness

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on sensitive pieces of equipment the

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okay the the the balance sort of shifts

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that may be experimenter effects may be

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the more viable option so in order for

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us to really say anything meaningful or

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interesting about discarnate effects we

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really need to focus on understanding

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the limits and parameters of

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experimenter effects so of course I want

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to put experimenter effects in a nice

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little box and we all know from previous

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literature that's ridiculously difficult

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to do so as I was

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about this stuff and going through the

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literature I and I was wondering about

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what effects may inhibit or enhance

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experimenter effects I got a phone call

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and it's was from my mom and she's

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really nice and she's in her 80s and she

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plays a lot of golf and she has

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absolutely no idea what it is I do for a

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living but she always asks and at the

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end of the phone call she says well I

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know your experiment will go well I'll

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send you some positive thoughts all

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right and hangs up so now I not only

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need to disentangle mind matter

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interactions but mom matter interactions

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as well but I was like wait a minute

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this is actually a really interesting

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question um here's someone that has a

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sincere interest in the outcome of this

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experiment even though she has no idea

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what it is or how it's gonna work and

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she used a very generalized intention I

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want it to work and it's what I call a

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fire-and-forget intention you said it

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and then you go on your way so I was

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like well is this you know is this the

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enough abstraction to an experiment

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where we could be outside the box we can

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be thwart experimental effects with this

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level of abstraction so I decided to

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play with this idea a little bit and I

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started mucking about and so I came up

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this idea of you developing the

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generalized intention experiment and the

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first thing I needed was a very random

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outcome for a trial experimental trial

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so what I did was I used a silo ROM

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professional-grade random event

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generator Gosar and had it run for two

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minutes at 200 bits per 200 bits per

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second I did sum up the number of bits

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or and if I had more ones than zeros I

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would call this trial I'll come hi and

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if I had more zeros than ones I'd call

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the trial come whoa oops the next thing

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I did was develop a little piece of

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software that generated a random success

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criteria for the trial so you hit the

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button it generates a text file the text

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file says this experiment will be

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successful if the outcome is of the reg

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is higher low and then I added another

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piece of the software that randomized

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the condition whether or not it was

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inactive or control condition so once

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all those data were collected and all

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and saved the software did a comparison

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between the outcome condition and the

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success criteria and if it matched then

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it would be considered ahead and if it

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missed if it didn't match then that

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trial would be considered a Miss so the

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way this thing worked was that I would

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set an intention

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I'd really like this experiment to work

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I'd hit the button on the software and

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it would generate a trial and I said

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well okay I'll do that a couple hundred

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times and I said well a couple hundred

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times is a lot so sorry you got worried

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about things like decline effects and

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fatigue so I said well if I can have the

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software generate a single trial I can

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have it do a block of trials and just

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run a bunch of blocks let's see how that

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goes so I did that um

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I developed the software and I said I

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set my intention

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hit the software left the room did my

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thing and the software automatically ran

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and did its 40 trials and then I did

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that five more times or four more times

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and each try each run had twenty active

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in twenty control trials that were

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randomly selected and what I found was

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that four out of the five trials

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actually produced a statistically

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significant result so what does that

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mean

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what can we start to infer experiment or

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effects do not like to go in a box but

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things like generalized intention can

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affect them and things like super

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randomization or blinding or automated

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systems don't necessarily defeat them

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either so we need to continue to use

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rigorous methods well you also need to

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realize that sorry this thing updates at

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different weights that the experimenter

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is in fact the experiment so what kinds

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of data can we start collecting about

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the experimenter that might help inform

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experimenter effects so looking through

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the literature on experimenter effects

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and sigh performance a couple of big

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themes came came to mind belief

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expectancy enthusiasm and desire so like

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okay that sounds reasonable how do we

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collect objective data on these

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different themes so it turns out there's

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an app for that

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and it's and we wrote it and it's called

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the experimenter effects assessment tool

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and it's very simple it takes this four

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dimensions lays them out in a visual

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analog scale the user just selects they

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rate themselves on each each dimension

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and then it generates a an outcome graph

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so I'm gonna look at several experiments

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by applying this tool which I was just

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called the tool okay so if an

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experimenter would have put in all zeros

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into the tool the graph would look a bit

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like this so the graphs from negative 50

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to positive 50 for each of the four

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dimensions so I graph myself and on

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generalized intention experiment and

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what I found was that I had ridiculously

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high belief expectancy enthusiasm and

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desire for the success of this

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experiment across the board so I don't

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want to go too crazy here because we're

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going to go down the rabbit hole but and

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I don't want to say that you know one

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graph and one positive experiment

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actually fully correlate but given what

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we know about experimenter effects and

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consciousness and equipment my matter

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interaction it's kind of not surprising

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to me that this thing works so well so

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I'm going to move from the micro PK

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issues experiment to a macro PK issue

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and her experiment and I wanted to you

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start very small so we're talking about

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moving dust around in this experiment so

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I don't have a lot of time to go to

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details about this but my co

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investigator and I Julie by Shaw had

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this idea that if dis Carnot's existed

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they might be able to physically

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interact in our environment some way so

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we thought maybe they could move dust

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into the beam of a laser that we'd set

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up in a target area in our house and so

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we set up active and control periods

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where during the active periods we asked

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the discarnate to move dust into the

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laser beam which you think it's

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highlighted in the beam and you're in

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interact with anything at all and we

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photographed all the trials and then we

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were able to remove the backgrounds and

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count up the number of pixels so we have

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a lot of data for each of these true

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active and control trials and when we

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compare them what we find is that there

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a significant difference between active

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and controls but it's actually in the

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reverse direction there is more dust in

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the control sessions than in the active

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sessions so let's apply the tool to this

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this particular experiment

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so I'm experimenter one and Julie's

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experimenter 2 and you can see my stuff

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I had high belief and high enthusiasm

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and kind of mid-range on the other ones

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but Julie state is actually the more

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interesting stuff you see she actually

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has a negative desire and negative

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enthusiasm for this experiment and and

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there's a reason for that and when I

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asked her about it and to her credit she

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very honestly answered that if this

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experiment actually worked it might

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imply that we had ghosts in our house

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and that idea made her bit uncomfortable

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so there sundar said in honesty in

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science so so what we might be seeing

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here is maybe something akin to sign

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missing but again I don't want to draw

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too many strong correlations on a single

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graph in a single experiment the third

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experiment that we ran was kind of an

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outcome of the sort it was a kind of an

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outgrowth of the previous experiment and

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in this experiment we said well if

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discarnate s-- can move things around

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maybe they actually have some mass or

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volume to them so we built this little

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chamber and it's an airtight chamber

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with a rubberized membrane on the front

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it and then we bounced a laser off the

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mirror which goes to a target about 5

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minutes 10 feet away and and so the idea

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would be that if the ghosts use their

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ghost hands and they put him in the

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chamber and they actually displaced air

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that the rubber would move that mirror

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would move and the position of the laser

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would move and I know this thing looks

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pretty crude but it actually is

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ridiculously sensitive this is one CC of

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air removed from the chamber and put

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into the chamber so we can actually see

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small differences in this thing pretty

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quickly so um how did the study work so

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we set up some monitors to make sure

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that we can control or account for or

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monitor vibration and temperature we ran

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three conditions a control where nothing

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operator intention where I put my

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intention into the into the chamber to

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try to touch a photographic target that

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was in there and a discarnate

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and condition will be invited a

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discarnate to go but their ghost hand in

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there and we used a block randomization

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designed to control for position effects

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remain six trials purposes per condition

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and two experiments working totaling 36

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trials and what do we find absolutely no

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change nothing happened during this

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experiment but that's kind of

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interesting so if we apply the tool I

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was the operator for this experiment and

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again I had ups so in the operator

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condition where I had to put my own

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consciousness in absolutely no belief at

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all that I could do that

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and I didn't expect it to work at all so

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that's not terribly surprising for the

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other experiment though with discard

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it's actually a fairly high belief and

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fairly interesting enthusiasm but are

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fairly high enthusiasm but it didn't

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work at all so why didn't it work if we

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had high belief in enthusiasm so we

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contacted the Wenberg certified research

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mediums to see if they could give us

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feedback from the discarnates about the

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experiment and what they told us is that

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they were able to actually give us some

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accurate information about the

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experimental setup which is pretty cool

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but then they told us that according to

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the discarnates the task wasn't easy it

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was too hard for them to do so again I

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don't want to go too far down the road

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of saying that what Kermes have the

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ability to get this sort of level of

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abstract and information from disk are

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nets but it's just it's kind of an

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interesting bit of feedback for this

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particular experiment so in summary we

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have three different experiments that we

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ran with three different outcomes and

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three sort of tool graph representations

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so where are we going with this so

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obviously we're at the very very early

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stages of this research so we have this

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pre model and we're also working on a

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post survey as well so we can do pre

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post comparisons one of the things that

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keeps coming up here is that you know

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it's always the the unconscious or

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subconscious of the experimenter so

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we're working with this idea of using a

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360 review which is where all the

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stakeholders in the experiment not only

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report about them

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but about but about everybody else

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that's involved in the experiment

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because your colleagues may have some

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insights about your personality or

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dimensions that you may not have and

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we're expanding the research and we're

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working with some other postdocs and

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graduate students and other departments

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and so there another mainstream research

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areas to see if we collect a large

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database of pre and post data thank you

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we've time for questions hi hi the

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business of of experimenter effects has

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been mentioned many times so I thought I

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ought to comment for your comments about

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the general idea of the experimenter

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themselves and their consciousness or

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unconsciousness or whatever influencing

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the experiment backwards it seems to me

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that that is a reasonable hypothesis but

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there's a lot of other things in the

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future of the experiment that could be

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causing some backward effect it's not

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just the experimenter him or herself I

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don't think that we need to consider all

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the other variables what might happen

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depending upon different results of the

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experiment the conditioning of the room

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blah blah blah everything that's

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connected to the future of those results

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and so it's a much bigger funnel of

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backward possible influences I would say

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no you're absolutely correct and again

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this is a very preliminary sort of trial

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in this attempt to kind of get some kind

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of data on this sure we could go crazy

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and try to collect data about everything

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all the time but we got to put a stake

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in the ground somewhere and start so I

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seem like this was a pretty reasonable

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place to to give it a shot by the way

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thank you um I wanted to comment one way

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you might be able to look at unconscious

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intention that would work really well

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with the scale you're talking about is

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to get a hypnotherapist in and have them

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get ideomotor responses and ask the

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unconscious directly you know I may lie

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to you but it's more active

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than asking the conscious mind right

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that's a really good point we've thought

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about maybe using some sort of

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physiological measurement as well so

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basically putting all the scientists on

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lie detectors but yeah how do you brief

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the discarnate I'm sorry how do you

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brief the disc on it's their tasks how

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specific information do you give them I

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mean they could have a level different

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levels of skill so to speak and do you

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ask them to change the temperature they

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change the air pressure move the mineral

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remove the buckets you know well it

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depends on the experiment obviously but

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yeah with the air pressure experiment

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the chamber was clear and there's

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actually a photographic there's a

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photograph in the bottom of the chamber

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of a loved one of this discarnate so the

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instruction was reach in there and touch

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that photograph so that was the goal for

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that particular experiment yes thank you

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